JL:.
Do you know anything about the Canunpa Wakan of the
Lakota and it's history?
BJ: Quite a lot.
JL: What do you know about the canupa wakan
controversy? The quest and mystery surrounding it.-
Who has the real authentic Canunpa wakan?
BJ: I know it has been a problem for years, I don't
know where the original WBCP is. Ever since Paula
Horn got involved with Arvol, it has gotten more
controversial. Arvol's nieces went with me to world
piece and prayer day years ago and I helped Arvol
write a letter to president Clinton about the
trouble he was having with Pennington county near
Hill City. On the way home his nieces asked who made
him chief? He was just a keeper of the pipe.
JL: Do you know
about this man called Wilbur Riegert, who wrote a book
called Quest For The Sacred Pipe ?
BJ: Yes. This
story was told to me by an elder a number of years ago. He
used to come to Pipestone to get stone from George and Dick
Bryan. This was copied from a letter he sent me in Oct 2006.
It was
early summer in the early 1970’s I made my semi-annual
pilgrimage to Pipestone. As I sat and talked with George, he
showed me
a piece of Alabaster and asked, what can be done with it,
and
I said carve a white Bison. He cut the stone in half and
said we should both
carve one.
As we sat and carved he said he received a letter
and a template from this fellow ( Wilbur Reigert ) from
Wounded Knee and
wanted him to make a copy of the Sacred calf pipe that was
broken when AIM burned the Wounded Knee Museum. Wilbur make
a tracing from the broken pieces. George then made a tin
template and should still be with George’s other templates
if Billy or Dick still have his things.
After
George died I visited his wife Winona and she still had the
templates. I was back in Pipestone a couple months later to
get some stone from dick. As Dick and I were Talking George
arrived and had the finished copy of the Sacred Calf pipe.
Dick had been working on the stem and it was finished.
We sat and talked for a while and neither George or Dick
wanted to see if the stem would fit. They asked me to see if
I would set the stem in the bowl, and it did and it
fit perfectly. I only remember that the stem was about 24”
long and had carving on it. I thought it had turtles
and skull carving ( Elk or Bison) The stem was made of Ash
and was flat and slightly oval.
JL: Is the pipe
they made a tracing off that was burned by AIM, the pipe
with the Standing buffalo on it, one of 14 by Standing
eagle. or another pipe?
BJ: No, it was a T
bowl pipe with a lump on the front and a lump on the back
that were supposed to represent a cow and a calf George
Bryan was standing eagle.

JL: Do you make other kinds of art work?
BJ : No, my wife does.
JL: What kind of artwork does your wife make?
BJ: She does paintings, beadwork, pipes, pipestone
jewelry, buckskin clothing